December 2, 2008

Schooling From My Point of View

You know, I've seen a lot recently about homeschooling vs. public schooling recently in my part of the cyberworld. I decided to write a blog about it and express my feeling thoroughly.

I've had homeschooling mothers accuse me of letting someone else teach my child the things that I, as his parent, should be. I had a homeschooling mother accuse me of not doing enough for my child, because I allowed him to attend college in a distant location. She told me that teaching my child Biblical values, keeping the door of communication open with him, and praying for him was not enough! She, basically, stated that I needed to 'shield' him exclusively from the worldly evil that I've thrust him into by allowing him to go to college and that I was "throwing him to the wolves."





Truthfully, I responded to this person, that I felt a bit attacked by her, when I'm not so sure that she intended it that way, but that is the way in which I perceived it. I also told her that my son being 2 months shy of 19 years old had experienced a lifetime (of almost 19 years) steeped in Christian values and support and LEARNING from his father and I. So, at almost 19 years old, I really feel my son is considered an adult. I have to respect the fact that he's probably not always going to do exactly what I want him to, but I do trust in the Lord and my son trusts in the Lord.

My son believes that Jesus Christ is his Savior and died on the cross for his sins. My son believes that he will live in all eternity with the Father in His heavenly abode. My son is saved. Halleleuiah! Praise be to God!

The reason that I state this is, as Christians, isn't that the whole reason for our existence? Isn't glorifying our Lord the most precious thing that we, as Christians, stand for? Isn't that the purpose that God had when He created man, to praise our heavenly Father?

The reason I stated those questions is because, personally, I think squabbling over whether one should or shouldn't homeschool OR whether so and so is saved or not OR proving that I'm right and you're wrong is pure dribble. Let me repeat myself there, these arguments are purely and simply NOT glorifying our Lord!

But here I am blogging about such a topic! The reason being is that I want everyone to know how I feel, then I'm going to try to be done with it. Please don't accuse me of being less of a parent than I need to be. Please don't tell me I'm not doing enough! If I'm not, then believe me, I truly have faith that God will show me these things!

Personally, when I visit blogs or message boards and there is a post about homeschool vs. public school, I usually do one of two things. I either make no response or I make a very limited response. Limited responses are due to the fact that I'm usually making a comment on someone's blog and I don't always have the time or the patience to thoroughly express my views. No response is usually because these things can be become very heated and I don't always like the heat!

After all, if we are Christian, then we shouldn't look to be oppositional and argumentative about such things. This does not mean that I have a problem with someone who states their views on why they homeschool or why they send their children to public school. I like to know people's views and I like to know why they feel the way they do. I, oftentimes, can learn things from this kind of exchange.

It's when things become heated in the sense that one person starts to accuse another of 'throwing their children to the wolves' for allowing them public schooling or another states that only the 'legalist will take the Biblical stand point of homeschooling' and such that upsets me.

Here you go, this is my opinion for all time's sake.

Do I think every single person on the face of the planet should homeschool? Absolutely not!

On the other hand, do I think every single person on the face of the planet should send their child to public school? Absolutely not!

From my response, you can tell that I don't feel that homeschooling is for everyone nor do I feel that public school is for everyone.

I perused a few Biblical resources recently to try to come up with the reasoning behind homeschooling.

Here is a few of the Scriptures quoted in defense of homeschooling:

Psalm 127: 1 - 3

"Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh [but] in vain.
[It is] vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: [for] so he giveth his beloved sleep.
Lo, children [are] an heritage of the LORD: [and] the fruit of the womb [is his] reward."

and

Ephesians 6:4

"And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord."

and

Romans 12:2

"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God."


and

Proverbs 22:6

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."


Okay, for me (not for everyone, but just me and my family), my husband and I have had my son under our tutelage for 18 years. We have taken upon us to teach and educate my son about the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior. We didn't send him to public school to learn about those things. We, through the help and support of our church, have educated our son about God.

He has a beautiful, wonderful 'church mom' who has guided, helped and supported him through the years. She just happens to be a woman who attends our church and has taken a deep interest in my son. She's a lovely Christian lady, whose children have grown up and moved out of the area and she adores my son and he adores her.

My son has been told by a long standing Christian man within our church family that he loves when Bryce comes home from college and attends church with us. He said that it's almost like our very own mini-celebrity returning home. The man explained that because my son was an outstanding athlete (his words not mine) and all around good student, that his peers look up to him. Believe me when I tell you that I have two or three copy paper boxes full of newspaper articles about his High School athletics career.









Half the adult church community can't wait to wedge their way over to Bryce after church services to get a hug, a handshake or a kiss. It usually takes at least a half hour after church services to make our way back to the car and return home. The long standing Christian man that I mentioned earlier stated that Bryce is the most humble, God-loving teenager that he's seen in many a years.

Now, I ask you, do you think that my husband and I have neglected to teach my child Christian values and beliefs, because we sent him to public school?

My son told me they were having a huge Halloween bash off campus on Halloween night. He told me he had no problems explaining to his dormmates the reason that he didn't want to attend was because he felt it was glorifying demons. I've never been one to forbid Halloween celebrations, because I think it is what you make of it. Just like Christmas...it is what you make of it. It can either be a commercial time of stress and frustration or it can be a time of opportunity to express our love for Christ. This conclusion of demon worshipping is his own conclusion.

So, I ask you again, do you think that my husband and I have neglected to teach my child Christian values and beliefs, because we sent him to public school?

The reason that I stated these examples of my son's Christian life is because I think they are a sample of the kind of life he leads. He isn't this type of teenager, because we sent him to public school. He's this type of person, because his father and I instilled upon him the love of our Lord. We taught our son what we believed!

Now, in a perfect world, I truly believe that homeschooling is a super duper idea. I think it's also a pretty super duper idea for some in an imperfect world, too. I think that the one to one attention that a person gives their child through homeschooling is something that cannot be duplicated through the public school system, nor was the public school system meant to be that way.

I also strongly believe that some people are not adequately equipped to homeschool their child. Since I work in a school district, I have seen parents who have the cognitive level slightly higher than a mentally retarded person (boy, I hate that term) homeschool their children. See, the technical term is truly 'mentally retarded'. Ask me how I know? I work in the special educaton department at my school. Clinically, they haven't come up with a better term, so it's the term I use. I hope I haven't offended anyone by using it. The parents whose cognitive level reaches slightly higher than the mentally retarded, who choose to homeschool their children, have always turned to the school district a few years down the road and screamed, "Help!" I really, literally, mean that.

If you have a problem solving simple one digit multiplication problems, believe me, you can't teach your child the algebra, geometry or trigonomitry that is required for a diploma or the GED test given in NY State (which is where I reside).

A person who has a rough time filling out a job application (due to learning disabilities in reading) are definitely not going to be able to help their child with DBQ's (Data Based Questions) or CRQ's (Critical Reasoning Questions).

Now, does that mean all well-meaning parents shouldn't homeschool? Absolutely not! The average number of cognitively disabled school age children is around 10%, so on average I believe that would be the ball park figure for cognitively disabled adults. So, personally, I feel about 10% of the population should probably not homeschool their children due to the inability to do so successfully.

Secondly, if one can say, okay, there's the exception, then couldn't there possibly be other exceptions? Such as, a parent who has physical and mental disabilites. Or how 'bout the single mom who can't stay home and homeschool her children, because she has to work 3 1/2 jobs to support said children? Or perhaps financially the parent cannot afford the expensive curriculums that are available to homeschoolers? Or they can't afford a computer to access the many 'free' curriculum ideals on the web?

So...that's why I feel that not everyone can or should homeschool. I think not everyone should or can send their child to public school. It's a personal choice, in my opinion!





P.S. To the dear sweet, Christian lady who accused me of 'throwing my son to the wolves.' You told me that you didn't want your child to attend university, because you had always shielded your child from the uglies and the evils of the world. I leave you with this observation: I didn't necessarily 'shield' my son from the evils of the world, because I knew one day when he was an adult, he would have to go out into that world and try his best to be a supportive part of society. I didn't go out and look for the uglies or the evil of the world for him to experience, either. I taught him through God's word how to deal with the world.

See, dear C-, I don't think you can put children in a box any more than you can put God in a box. Sometimes boxes leak or tear open. I don't think everyone's box is the same size either. But, I do believe that God has equiped us with His word to triumphantly conquer the world through Jesus Christ.

Amen!

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

AMEN AND AMEN!!!!!

I've seen much the same thing here in flyover country.

All of us must face the ugliness of the world at one point or another. Being in a homeschool environment or a Christian home environment does not shield us from the world's uglies. Better that a child should learn to deal with it while they are young and have their parents full-time support than to wait till they are out in the midst of it with no support whatsoever.

I wonder if this "well-meaning Christian lady" intends to keep her children isolated for life or if she intends to let them leave home at some point in their lives.

Laurie and Bill said...

Well, I don't think she reads my blog, so no matter! But I do think she has a 23 or 24 year old daughter who lives at home. So, I'm not sure if she'll ever let her leave home at some point or not.

She stated that her daughter who she had let attend the community college nearby while living at home had come up with some really bad expressions (not swearing, but she didn't elaborate)as of late. I asked her if she talked to her daughter about her expressions. She could only 'blame' the environment she was being exposed to.

Yup, our children can mimic the environment that surrounds them, but as I said, I believe through God's word, we can triumph.

Anonymous said...

I think this was a great blog entry Lee..You and your DH obviously did a fine job raising such a God loving son.:o)

The only question that continues to linger in my mind is....Before there were one room school houses...Many Mas and Pas homeschooled their children. They did it very well without much of an education themselves. KWIM?
Here is a very small list of names you will probably be familiar with. All these folks were homeschooled.

1.Frederick Terman (Stanford University President)

2.William Samuel Johnson (Columbia University President)

3.Frank Vandiver (Texas A&M University President)

4.John Witherspoon (Princeton University President)

5.Alexander Graham Bell

6.Thomas Edison

7.Cyrus McCormick

8.The Wright Brothers: Orville and Wilbur Wright

9.John Quincy Adams

10.William Henry Harrison
11.Thomas Jefferson
12Abraham Lincoln
13.James Madison
14.Franklin Delano Roosevelt
15.Theodore Roosevelt
16.John Tyler
17.George Washington
18.Woodrow Wilson

Richard Basset (Governor of Delaware)
William Blount (U.S. Senator)
George Clymer (U.S. Representative)
William Few (U.S. Senator)
Benjamin Franklin (Inventor and Statesman)
William Houston (Lawyer)
William S. Johnson (President of Columbia C.)
William Livingston (Governor of New Jersey)
James Madison - 4th President of the U.S.
George Mason
John Francis Mercer (U.S. Representative)
Charles Pickney III (Governor of S. Carolina)
John Rutledge (Chief Justice U.S. Supreme Court)
Richard D. Spaight (Governor of N. Carolina)
George Washington - 1st President of the U.S.
John Witherspoon (President of Princeton U.)
George Wythe (Justice of Virginia High Court)


Higher education math which is needed to get a GED can actually be handled once your child is ready to take those tests. Many HS'er I know..do not stress over it now. Some HS'ers that already have had their children graduate have done it this way and it is perfectly fine to do. I mean, why rule out all the many years that a mother could be home with her child teaching him or her so many other things. Yes, in a perfect world..we would be all born again believers and raising our children in such a way. I realize that this is anything but a perfect world though.
In regards to your friend saying what she has said, I am sorry that it was so hurtful to you. (HUGS)
However, I admit I have said the same thing at times before myself. That phrase "feeding your children to the wolves" comes from a home school book. I read that book myself. *blush*

I am very overjoyed to hear of cases such as yours, where your child has turned out so well, but in all honestly, most public school kids do not come out well rounded and well adjusted at all. Statistically speaking….. and I am not too fond of statistics, but…many, many children fall prey to the devils ways in public schools. I think that is why your friend feels so strong on this perhaps. She probably has seen it 100x over. KWIM?

As far as Sheltering and Shielding our children from the world..
Call me crazy, but I just have never left my baby out in the street and expected her to crawl home, I never took my toddlers to Wal-Mart and left them there, expecting them to find their own way home. I don't have the habit of taking my toddlers out into the woods and letting them find their own way back either.

I guess you could say that I shelter my kids. I actually make them wear coats when it's cold, and I don't let them play out in thunder storms.


I am using hyperbole here to make a point that often times are over looked.

Yes, I unabashedly keep my kids from harm in any way I can, especially at very tender ages, not just physical harm, but emotional and spiritual as well. I think keeping their hearts from Spiritual harm would be next to impossible in a school setting at a (young age) 5-8 years old?

My younger children seldom play with others outside of our family and church group. They don't go over neighbor's homes, and neighbors' children are not welcome in our home for extended periods. When we do socialize, it is as a family...and even then closely monitored. Why do public school parents place so much emphasis on sending our children out on the mission field by the time they reach 5 years old..and they are sitting back on the couch or at their desk at work..not reaching anyone whatsoever..but are encouraging their children to transform the world through their schooling.

As my children mature and grow, the parameters will be relaxed a great deal. Their circle of influence will widen to include more of the outside world. Why rush it though? Why are we so adamant on stuffing the worlds evilness down their throats to prove to them that this is an evil unjust world?? :’( This just does not make sense to me and it gets annoying to us HS'ers when non-HS'ers..emphasize this so much. It almost makes them sound guilty.

This is where I have made the comment..feeding ones children to the wolves.

It doesn't matter that our lifestyle meets with anyone else's approval, it is what God has told us to do, and it has born wonderful fruit. My children know very wonderful things that are missing in most of us... They know where they belong, and they know who they are apart from any group and situation. Home is a safe place, a retreat from the noise and worlds chaos. Relationships are few, but deeply appreciated.... There is time to think and reflect, and time to have quiet without the intrusion of outside evaluation.

My children function quite well in any and all social situations they have been in. They know how to get along with others that are different then them and make very wise decisions about whom they wish to acquaint with and have relationships with. They are the opposite of rebellious. I have other mothers with girls my oldest ages asking me how I keep them from being so mouthy… They have never raised their voice to neither I nor my husband. They respect us because they respect God.

They are also much less self-examining, because they aren't constantly evaluating themselves according to what others might think of them. The whole peer pressure thing that starts in Kindergarten.

They are managers and coordinators and leaders and teachers. Not a bad rep for being isolated..*grin*



I know there have been studies done on how well homeschoolers do socially when stacked up to public schooled individuals, and I guess this data could be important to someone who needs scientific backup, but I couldn't care less. My children are not numbers, and they don't fit well into categories …I don't believe any of us fit well into categories. I personally have come to the conclusion that children raised in a peer-dependent environment grow up "socialized" all right, but in a way that kills the human spirit... They grow up never quite knowing who they are, and are easily influenced by anyone and everyone who uses big words to describe things that should be common sense and call themselves "experts"..if that makes sense.

How many of us adults make life-changing decisions after considering advice from some article in a supermarket magazine or worse yet, from watching some pompous, self-proclaimed national counselor on TV? No wonder people don't understand why we shelter our children. We have all been conditioned from the earliest ages that growing up naturally, among parents and those who love us, is not "normal"... even when we have all suffered to one extent or the other at the hands of teachers and fellow students at early tender ages.
In conclusion:
Coddling a 20 year old may be crazy but coddling a 5,6,7,8,9,10 year old is called PARENTING.

Laurie and Bill said...

Aaah, Michelle, you make some very good points. I agree with most of them.

See, I didn't write the post to criticize homeschoolers at all. I really, truly believe that a huge majority of homeschoolers are doing a wonderful and nurturing thing by their children.

I, also, hope I didn't give the impression that I left my baby in the streets to crawl home! LOL! I know that's not what you were saying:)

Yes, I sheltered my son when he was younger. DS never went to sleepovers to unbelievers homes. I, basically, monitored his friendships and any little visitors that graced our home with great care.

When he was a teenager, I never let him just go hang out downtown. I know many who did at the age of 10. He always needed to have a destination and a purpose for being in the downtown area, but never at the age of 10. In fact, probably not until he was around 14 or 15 years old. Yes, I protected my son from the evils at a tender age, too.

I always knew where my son was and who he was with up until the day he went to college.

I think you and your hubby are very good parents who do take great care in not exposing your child to unnecessary evils. I, too, did the same thing!

I guess my statement was in defense of the woman who did say that I was 'feeding my son to the wolves' because I let him choose a college that would take him away from home. Truly, I don't even think she knows one iota of what I'm like as a parent. I'm glad you told me that you had read it in a book, so I know where it was coming from.

I strongly believe that children should not be exposed to horrible nasties that are out there, so to speak. I just believe at some point (when they become young adults), we do have to trust in God that He's shown us the best way to raise our children and we need to let them 'fly'.

I also believe that the ugly evils of the world that are exposed to them when they are younger, is a great opportunity to discuss how those issues fall into God's plan. After all, living in a fallen world pretty much guarantees that they will witness things that we would rather they didn't witness.

I'm sure there's been times when you may be in the supermarket with your children and they happen to witness something that you'd rather they didn't. I'm also sure that you and hubby talk to them about those happenings. Believe me, many parents don't. I've known Christian moms to say, "Don't look, we'll ignore it and it'll hopefully be forgotten by the children. I hope they don't ask me any questions about that ugly little situation."

I'll tell ya, I think they do have questions and I think they do develop impressions from those things, that's why it is so important to discuss them with your children when they happen, but discuss them in a Godly manner. KWIM?

The mother who accused me of doing the feeding to the wolves, basically told me she doesn't discuss these things with her child, because she doesn't have to. She shields them from those incidents. So, in my opinion, they have no clue why the Bible says these things are of the world and not a wise behavior. That is the kind of shielding and sheltering that I'm talking about. I wasn't referring to parents who try to avoid those circumstances, it's more about ignoring them.

I also realize that there are many public school children who have run amok most of their short lives and they don't really help the image of public school children. But, I also believe that a large percentage of them are unbelievers.

My husband and I have invested a long, but happy, 19 years of teaching my son the ways of the Lord. It was extremely hard to do, given that he attended the public school, where the majority of students aren't believers, but it can be done.

Yes, we are also blessed with a very wonderful school district that has many a Christian teacher within it's walls, too, which eases the stresses of knowing what is being taught and discussed in class.

I guess in a nutshell, my belief is that no one should be criticized for making the choice to homeschool, just as I don't feel a person who chooses to send their child to public school is a bad parent.

Hugs, Michelle, I think I totally understand where you are coming from. In fact, I think we think alike in a lot of ways. Unfortunately, I think my generalizations should have been more thorough.

Anonymous said...

Well said. :o) Great Post!! Now how about some recipe posts? LOL


PS- Maybe I would not get along with that lady either..YES! They do need to know..*sigh*
I actually point out to my kids ugly incidents in stores.. and at parks etc..I have spent many a hour teaching the kids about the nasties in the world..and do think it is important to give examples..Around here, I don't need to go very far..just have to go to the local Walmart or mini mart and the kids see what the world is about..*tonge in cheek*

Today my 5 yr old son woke up and asked if he could watch the news before school..

He is a weather bug. It just sounded funny. "Mommy, can I watch the news please, I need to see the weather forcast for the week." LOL

Laurie and Bill said...

Well, my next post is in the works and it's about an entirely different topic! I promise!

That's why I wrote the schooling post....I want to be done with it, too!

Laurie and Bill said...

Oh, BTW, give that boy a hug! Now, there is something to get excited about when you're 5 years old...THE WEATHER!
At least in my part of the country it can be exciting news!

Ella said...

Amen Laurie, a well thought out and delightful post. Thoughtful and centered in the love of Christ.
Hugs, GG

Anonymous said...

I haven't researched all the people on the "homeschooled" list that MichelleC supplied but I can tell you for a fact that John Quincy Adams was NOT homeschooled. He was enrolled in a boarding school at the age of 9 in France and later in Holland while his father was negotiating with the French for help fighting the Revolutionary War. John Quincy not only wasn't homeschooled--he wasn't even home with either parent more than once a month.

If you must quote names to back up an opinion, please make sure the information is accurate.

Anonymous said...

Opps, that should have read John Adams..:o)

Anonymous said...

John Adams was not homeschooled either. He may have been taught to read at home though all indications are that his mother never learned herself, but his father enrolled him first in a dame school then in the local school from which he played hookey at age 10. After a day working with his father, the elder Adams sent him back to school, however, once John indicated that he didn't like his teacher, he was sent to a private school under the tutelege of John Marsh. At age 15, John Adams enrolled in Harvard.

--from John Adams, by David McCullough pg. 33-34
and
--from The Raising of a President by Doug Wead pg. 43-45.

Anonymous said...

Also Orville Wright was expelled from elementary school for mischef--hardly supports the homeschool theory there. And he and his brother Wibur attended their local high school but failed to graduate.

FDR and Alexander Graham Bell both attended boarding schools. Abraham Lincoln had to sneak off to school as his father didn't believe in education of any kind. And Woodrow Wilson couldn't read till the age of 12 and attended public school in Atlanta well as being homeschooled by his father. That hardly recommends homeschooling no matter who he became.

These are just some of the names I have briefly researched from your list.

Please verify your information before posting it as gospel.